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Mortgage discount points are prepaid interest: one point costs 1% of your loan amount and lowers your rate, usually by about a quarter point, for the life of the loan. I compare the upfront cost against the monthly savings to find your break-even. Points make sense when you will stay past that break-even, and sellers can often help pay them on FHA, where concessions can reach 6% of the price. Ask Patrick how mortgage discount points would work for your loan.
Mortgage discount points are upfront fees you pay to your lender at closing in exchange for a permanently lower interest rate. One point costs 1% of your loan amount and typically reduces your rate by 0.25%. On a $400,000 loan, one point costs $4,000 and saves about $60/month. The breakeven point is approximately 5.5 years. Points are a form of prepaying interest -- they make sense when you plan to stay in the home longer than the breakeven period.
How Points Work
The term: a discount point is prepaid interest. You hand the lender money at closing, and in exchange the lender lowers your rate for the life of the loan. One point costs 1% of your loan amount and typically reduces your rate by about a quarter point.
The meaning: you are buying a lower monthly payment with cash today. On a $400,000 loan, one point costs $4,000, and the rate reduction saves roughly $60 to $65 a month for as long as you hold the loan.
The money consequence: points only pay off if you keep the loan long enough for the monthly savings to cover the upfront cost. That is the breakeven, and it is the whole decision in one number.
The real-world play: I tell buyers the honest truth, Patriot Nation: I am not a fan of buyers paying points out of pocket when a seller-paid buydown can do the same job. But when points fit the math, they are a legitimate tool, and the math is what decides.
Calculating Your Breakeven
The formula: cost of the points divided by the monthly savings equals your breakeven in months. Example: $4,000 cost divided by $60 monthly savings is about 67 months, or roughly 5.5 years.
The meaning: the breakeven is the moment the points start making you money. Before it, you are behind. After it, every month is profit.
The money consequence: keep the loan longer than the breakeven and the points save you money. Sell or refinance before it and you paid for a benefit you never used.
The real-world consequence: the honest question is not what the rate looks like, it is how long you will keep this loan. Your timeline picks the answer, and that is the conversation I run with every buyer.
Points vs No Points: The 10-Year Comparison
$400K loan comparison:
- Without points:6.5% rate, $2,528/month
- With 1 point ($4,000):6.25% rate, $2,463/month
- Monthly savings:$65/month
- Over 10 years:$7,800 savings - $4,000 cost = $3,800 net benefit
- Over 5 years:$3,900 savings - $4,000 cost = -$100 net loss
The meaning: the same loan, the same house, and a single decision, $4,000 now or not, produces two different financial outcomes depending on time in the home.
The money consequence: stay past the breakeven and the points win by nearly $3,800 over a decade. Leave before it and the points lose. There is no third option.
The real-world play: I run this exact table with clients before we lock. The breakeven is clear, and the timeline is the tiebreaker, Patriot Nation.
How Many Points Can You Buy?
The term: most lenders allow 0 to 3 points, and some allow more. Each additional point typically reduces the rate by another quarter point, and the marginal benefit stays roughly constant.
The meaning: points are a sliding scale. More points, lower rate, longer breakeven, and more cash tied up at closing.
The money consequence: two points on a $400,000 loan is $8,000 at closing. The breakeven stretches further out, which means the loan has to live even longer to pay.
The real-world consequence: the more points you stack, the more you are betting on a long stay. Make that bet with your eyes open, and only when the timeline supports it.
Can the Seller Pay for Points?
The term: yes, through seller concessions. On FHA, concessions can reach 6% of the purchase price, and on conventional loans the limit runs 3% to 9% depending on your down payment.
The meaning: the seller contributes toward your closing costs, and those dollars can pay for points, a buydown, or other fees instead of coming out of your pocket.
The money consequence: seller-paid points give you the lower rate without spending your own cash, which is the best of both worlds and exactly why I negotiate concessions on every offer I write.
The real-world play: the concessions are part of the offer, not an afterthought. A good agent structures them in from the start, and that structure is money in your pocket at closing.
Points vs Lender Credits: The Opposite
The term: points and lender credits are mirror images. Points mean you pay more upfront for a lower rate. Lender credits mean you accept a higher rate and get money back at closing.
The meaning: one moves cash from your pocket to the lender, the other moves cash from the lender to your pocket. The rate moves in the opposite direction in each case.
The money consequence: points reward long-term holders who keep the loan past the breakeven. Lender credits reward short-term owners and cash-tight buyers who need the money at closing more than they need the lower payment.
The real-world consequence: there is no universally right answer, only the answer that fits your timeline and your cash. Run both numbers, then pick, and make it a great one.
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